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BIN STRIKES THREATENED
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| ROW: Several binmen have been fired for drug and alcohol abuse - Biffa says it had no option but to dismiss |
BIN contractor BIFFA has dismissed a number of staff for being under the influence of drugs and alcohol at work.
Now unions representing the refuse collectors are threatening to go on strike in protest.
BIFFA officials met with Transport and General Workers' Union for the first time last Wednesday to discuss their "unease" about the dismissals.
No decision was reached but the union confirmed they are not yet ruling out the fact that industrial action could be the final conclusion. That could mean Wirral residents may be left with unemptied bins until the issues are resolved.
The threats of industrial action comes after the Globe reported how the council plans to fine people who persistently put the wrong rubbish in the wrong coloured wheelie bins up to £100.
Brian Nelson, lead officer for Transport and General Workers' Union, Ellesmere Port, said to the Globe: "We met with BIFFA yesterday regarding a number of issues, and at this stage no plans for industrial action are in place. As yet, we are not even planning to ballot.
"But we aren't denying that eventually these issues could lead to industrial action."
| "We aren’t denying that eventually these issues could lead to industrial action." | | Brian Nelson |
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When asked about the issues that have led to the industrial issues, Mr Nelson refused to comment.
BIFFA spokesman Mike Godfrey confirmed the dismissals were the reason for the action. He said: "We regret that the T&GWU has felt it necessary to necessary to negotiate with us over this matter.
"After following the proper procedure we were left with no option but to dismiss the small number of employees on the grounds of prolonged and consistent absenteeism and for being at work under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
"We take very seriously the issue of drug and alcohol abuse and we do not believe that anyone would condone the operation of heavy machinery or vehicles in public areas by people who are drunk or under the influence of drugs."
A Wirral Council spokeswoman said: "The council expects our contractor, Biffa, to undertake an efficient collection of bins whilst ensuring the safety of Wirral residents. Clearly this matter has been taken very seriously.""
8:23am Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: jezza on 8:40am Wed 26 Mar 08
Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.
Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.
Posted by: Steve Mac on 8:55am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.[/quote]
Any alternatives?
Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.
Any alternatives?
Posted by: Alan, Wallasey on 9:35am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote:
Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers. [/quote] A reasoned and well thought out argument, NOT!
What exactly were the good old days? Oh yes I remember them well, outside toilets, coal fires, poverty, smog, having to borrow money to survive. The list goes on.
Why not save the nasty comments until this thing is resolved. On the one hand I can't see Biffa doing this unless really necessary but on the other, unions don't usually back their members in cases like this. Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.
It may just be cost cutting, and perhaps Biffa want to replace them with a few Poles?
jezza wrote:
Unbelievable. But then not in this day and age. Sack the lot. "In the good old days..." they used to go INTO the property,carry the bin to the wagon,empty it and carry it BACK INTO the property again. Nowadays they just leave them to block the pavement. Sack them. Along with the teachers and the coppers.
A reasoned and well thought out argument, NOT!
What exactly were the good old days? Oh yes I remember them well, outside toilets, coal fires, poverty, smog, having to borrow money to survive. The list goes on.
Why not save the nasty comments until this thing is resolved. On the one hand I can't see Biffa doing this unless really necessary but on the other, unions don't usually back their members in cases like this. Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye.
It may just be cost cutting, and perhaps Biffa want to replace them with a few Poles?
Posted by: Nemo on 9:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
It is not uncommon for employers to carry out 'with cause' testing for drugs and alcohol nowadays. I have worked in several places where this was the norm. It was spelled out quite clearly that there was a zero-tolerance approach to alcohol and drug misuse at work. If Biffa have such a policy and if they are enforcing it rigorously, then the T&GWU ought to be supporting their efforts, not threatening strike action. Or perhaps they want to go back to the 'good old days' of the 1970s, when Trades Unions held the country to ransom whenever they felt like it?
It is not uncommon for employers to carry out 'with cause' testing for drugs and alcohol nowadays. I have worked in several places where this was the norm. It was spelled out quite clearly that there was a zero-tolerance approach to alcohol and drug misuse at work. If Biffa have such a policy and if they are enforcing it rigorously, then the T&GWU ought to be supporting their efforts, not threatening strike action. Or perhaps they want to go back to the 'good old days' of the 1970s, when Trades Unions held the country to ransom whenever they felt like it?
Posted by: amazed!!! on 9:50am Wed 26 Mar 08
Just a bit of a quandry!If the strike does emerge,will the council waver the potential £100 fines,because we can rest assured bins will get contaminated if the strike takes effect.We don't know the full circumstances for the dimissal's,and i agree Alan, there is probably more to this than meets the eye.there is an old clicque "Know one knows what goes on behind closed doors"
Just a bit of a quandry!If the strike does emerge,will the council waver the potential £100 fines,because we can rest assured bins will get contaminated if the strike takes effect.We don't know the full circumstances for the dimissal's,and i agree Alan, there is probably more to this than meets the eye.there is an old clicque "Know one knows what goes on behind closed doors"
Posted by: mike, moreton on 10:15am Wed 26 Mar 08
Can this testing procedure not be extended to Wirral Borough Council, as judging from their crap performance, certain council workers are probably on drugs as well.
Can this testing procedure not be extended to Wirral Borough Council, as judging from their crap performance, certain council workers are probably on drugs as well.
Posted by: Mr Bollo on 10:17am Wed 26 Mar 08
Jizza, what do you do that is so great, huh? Perhaps we should sack you.
It does explain why they can't seem to put the bins back outside the right houses though.
Jizza, what do you do that is so great, huh? Perhaps we should sack you.
It does explain why they can't seem to put the bins back outside the right houses though.
Posted by: mike, moreton on 10:20am Wed 26 Mar 08
*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......
How can we have faith in the council's policy though of enforcing £100 fines, when many of those emptying the bins are probably high as kite? Because it's just a grubby money-making exercise.
*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......
How can we have faith in the council's policy though of enforcing £100 fines, when many of those emptying the bins are probably high as kite? Because it's just a grubby money-making exercise.
Posted by: teki's ghost (not the original), Birkenhead on 10:27am Wed 26 Mar 08
I hear that they're on their way to your workplace next Bollo! Quick, you might still have time to get to the toilet!
I hear that they're on their way to your workplace next Bollo! Quick, you might still have time to get to the toilet!
Posted by: John on 10:31am Wed 26 Mar 08
Biffa are right to take action. Simple under the influence of drugs and alcohol? Be prepared to get caught, it's that simple.
Biffa are right to take action. Simple under the influence of drugs and alcohol? Be prepared to get caught, it's that simple.
Posted by: Jim, Bidston on 10:46am Wed 26 Mar 08
Although we do not know the circumstances surrounding the dismissals, if they were under the influence of drink or drugs they should be instantly dismissed and the TGWU should support this. There are plenty of unemployed people who would value the chance to do the job (and do it properly). Having a zero tolerance policy is quite correct - after all if a drugged up or drunk bin wagon driver ran over a kid in your street there would be a scandal and a public enquiry. And Yes - being drunk or drugged up can easily lead to something like this and much worse. Instant dismissal in these cases is the only justified option.
Although we do not know the circumstances surrounding the dismissals, if they were under the influence of drink or drugs they should be instantly dismissed and the TGWU should support this. There are plenty of unemployed people who would value the chance to do the job (and do it properly). Having a zero tolerance policy is quite correct - after all if a drugged up or drunk bin wagon driver ran over a kid in your street there would be a scandal and a public enquiry. And Yes - being drunk or drugged up can easily lead to something like this and much worse. Instant dismissal in these cases is the only justified option.
Posted by: jezza on 10:49am Wed 26 Mar 08
I was talking about bin collection,not "everything" (Alan Wallasey)Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money. Unlike your average bin collector. And you.
I was talking about bin collection,not "everything" (Alan Wallasey)Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money. Unlike your average bin collector. And you.
Posted by: teki's ghost, Birkenhead on 10:51am Wed 26 Mar 08
well said jezza- sack em all!
well said jezza- sack em all!
Posted by: Mr Bollo on 11:55am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......[/quote]
You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly!
Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...
*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......
You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly!
Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 12:09pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Bring in the Brave Police dog that Soughted CHAV Annes arm out, I Say
Bring in the Brave Police dog that Soughted CHAV Annes arm out, I Say
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 12:12pm Wed 26 Mar 08
That should say "Sorted"
Posted by: Steve Mac on 12:18pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money[/quote]
Ah where would we be without ignorant judgementalism? You're obviously not earning money then.
Anyway,you speak for yourself,I didn't suffer like you,not everyone was a povo like you,some people used their brains to EARN money
Ah where would we be without ignorant judgementalism? You're obviously not earning money then.
Posted by: surprised on 12:32pm Wed 26 Mar 08
(I was talking about bin collection,not everything)"Jezza" you included teacher's and copper's in that statement. They have nothing to do do with being dismissed from refuse collection.Have you inside info on ?the police and teacher's striking.Back to the topic.I lean to the dimissal's if the reason being was for drugs and alcohol.
(I was talking about bin collection,not everything)"Jezza" you included teacher's and copper's in that statement. They have nothing to do do with being dismissed from refuse collection.Have you inside info on ?the police and teacher's striking.Back to the topic.I lean to the dimissal's if the reason being was for drugs and alcohol.
Posted by: Frank Clark, birkenhead on 12:49pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mr Bollo[/bold] wrote:
[quote]*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......[/quote] You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly! Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...[/quote] Mr Bollo, your comments have been noted for being very abusive and disrespectful to other contributors. You also come across as a bit of tit, so could you please refrain from doing so? Thank you sir.
Mr Bollo wrote:
*Yawn* Que Mr Bollo......
You still obsessing over me, Mike? Btw, did you mean Cue, Queue, or 'what'??? Please speak more clearly! Hi Taki Jizzer, keep takin the pills...
Mr Bollo, your comments have been noted for being very abusive and disrespectful to other contributors. You also come across as a bit of tit, so could you please refrain from doing so? Thank you sir.
Posted by: Mr Bollo on 2:21pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote]You also come across as a bit of tit[/quote]
Franky Taki boy, the words pot and kettle spring to mind.
You also come across as a bit of tit
Franky Taki boy, the words pot and kettle spring to mind.
Posted by: jezza on 4:03pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I work hard for the money,so hard for the money,I work for the money so you better treat me right! Sack the teachers,stick that up your module!
I work hard for the money,so hard for the money,I work for the money so you better treat me right! Sack the teachers,stick that up your module!
Posted by: Jack Frost, birkenhead on 4:55pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases
Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 6:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jack Frost[/bold] wrote:
Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases[/quote] They are on Speed, thats why they got Black Bagged, Binned and Dumped!!!.
Jack Frost wrote:
Surely if the bin men are on drugs they'd work quicker ! It should be compulsory to take speed, especially during bank holidays when workload increases
They are on Speed, thats why they got Black Bagged, Binned and Dumped!!!.
Posted by: BIFFA Employee, Birkenhead on 8:31pm Wed 26 Mar 08
As a biffa employee it seems that the certain minority of drug and drink abusers are tarnishing what is a good hardworking workforce as a mamber of the t&gwu i can not and will not support the unions stance to condone this activity and as for mr Nelson saying they are not even prepared to ballot tosh! the union rep at the depot Phil Howarth is actively getting names and addresses of wmployees for Mr Nelson to send Ballot papers too Biffa have a policy of zero tolerance on drink and drug abuse and this should be supported and applauded not condoned by the unions how would you feel if a 30 ton bin wagon was involved in an accident and then found the driver was found to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol god forbid if anybody got killed or hurt because then the unions would be baying for blood
As a biffa employee it seems that the certain minority of drug and drink abusers are tarnishing what is a good hardworking workforce as a mamber of the t&gwu i can not and will not support the unions stance to condone this activity and as for mr Nelson saying they are not even prepared to ballot tosh! the union rep at the depot Phil Howarth is actively getting names and addresses of wmployees for Mr Nelson to send Ballot papers too Biffa have a policy of zero tolerance on drink and drug abuse and this should be supported and applauded not condoned by the unions how would you feel if a 30 ton bin wagon was involved in an accident and then found the driver was found to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol god forbid if anybody got killed or hurt because then the unions would be baying for blood
Posted by: Dippy, Wallasey on 8:51pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I fully supprt what BIFFA employee is saying these chaps do a hard job in all weathers for propably minimum wage and as for the unions stance on drug and alcohol abuse at work this mr Nelson and Howarth should be taken out and flogged i fully support anybody trying to rid the streets of drugs and i would not like to see strike action but i support what BIFFA are trying to do
I fully supprt what BIFFA employee is saying these chaps do a hard job in all weathers for propably minimum wage and as for the unions stance on drug and alcohol abuse at work this mr Nelson and Howarth should be taken out and flogged i fully support anybody trying to rid the streets of drugs and i would not like to see strike action but i support what BIFFA are trying to do
Posted by: Ray Rowland, Noctorum on 9:34pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made.
Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons.
I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.
I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made.
Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons.
I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 9:54pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ray Rowland[/bold] wrote:
I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made. Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons. I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.[/quote] Please read the Article Mr Rowland starting with "After following the proper procedure'.......
Ray Rowland wrote:
I agree that when someone commits the offence of being under the influence of drink or drugs they should be punished, but, in all other situations proper tests are carried out and evidence gathered to support the case being made. Does Biffa carry out such tests, does Biffa have supporting evidence for the action taken against these persons. I hope so, because if not and they can carry out these dismissals without such evidential support then this could be the thin end of the wedge where any employer could dismiss staff because he "considered" that employee to be under the influence of drink or drugs, simply because that employer wanted that employee out of the way.
Please read the Article Mr Rowland starting with "After following the proper procedure'.......
Posted by: Alan, Wallasey on 11:27pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Jezza you are obviously a child so there is no point in telling you about the 1950's apart from saying that people did have jobs and there were plenty about. You weren't there so you will never understand.
One or two of the comments on here are a bit suspect to say the least. Again I say that the union would not fight for people who have been proven, once again proven to have taken drugs or been drunk on duty. I know it is a conspiracy theory but I wouldn't mind betting Biffa are using their propaganda machine on here as well.
For pity's sake start thinking for yourselves for once and stop believing everything you read in newspapers.
Jezza you are obviously a child so there is no point in telling you about the 1950's apart from saying that people did have jobs and there were plenty about. You weren't there so you will never understand.
One or two of the comments on here are a bit suspect to say the least. Again I say that the union would not fight for people who have been proven, once again proven to have taken drugs or been drunk on duty. I know it is a conspiracy theory but I wouldn't mind betting Biffa are using their propaganda machine on here as well.
For pity's sake start thinking for yourselves for once and stop believing everything you read in newspapers.
Posted by: bigfoot, Wirral on 7:23pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Ah now its all becoming clear. I have a number of marks on the side of my vehicle which coincide with the height of a wheely bin's handles. I thought it was an attempt at the bin chucking championship so they were using performance enhancing drugs. Or is it that my bins were emptied so early in the morning it was on their way back from a night on the tiles.
Ah now its all becoming clear. I have a number of marks on the side of my vehicle which coincide with the height of a wheely bin's handles. I thought it was an attempt at the bin chucking championship so they were using performance enhancing drugs. Or is it that my bins were emptied so early in the morning it was on their way back from a night on the tiles.
Posted by: BIFFA Employee, Birkenhead on 9:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Biffa use an outside agency to perform [bold]random[/bold] drug and alcohol testing these tests are done under the scrutiny of a trained professional and all procedures are followed under BIFFAs drug and alcohol procedures i must add that not all people who have tested positive have been sacked some who have been tested positive but not over the legal limits for alcohol or lower class drugs have had the option of the companys support and as long as they agree to regular testing and zero results are allowed to carry on working i find it very hard that the union does not support this stance but is actively trying to get staff members reinstated when tested positive for large amounts of alcohol or hard drugs i think the management of this company should be congratulated and other companys should follow suit
Biffa use an outside agency to perform
random drug and alcohol testing these tests are done under the scrutiny of a trained professional and all procedures are followed under BIFFAs drug and alcohol procedures i must add that not all people who have tested positive have been sacked some who have been tested positive but not over the legal limits for alcohol or lower class drugs have had the option of the companys support and as long as they agree to regular testing and zero results are allowed to carry on working i find it very hard that the union does not support this stance but is actively trying to get staff members reinstated when tested positive for large amounts of alcohol or hard drugs i think the management of this company should be congratulated and other companys should follow suit
Posted by: Jack Frost, berkonio on 11:13pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Biffa.. you are too evangelistic,
many binmen have taken stimulants for many years, all have done their jobs correctly, and only those who take too many days sick, tell householders to f off or tip a bin over their supervisor should be sacked.
What this policy is now doing is to place these people onto the dole, paid for by you and I.
Biffa.. you are too evangelistic,
many binmen have taken stimulants for many years, all have done their jobs correctly, and only those who take too many days sick, tell householders to f off or tip a bin over their supervisor should be sacked.
What this policy is now doing is to place these people onto the dole, paid for by you and I.
Posted by: amazed!! on 11:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Very interesting debate here.Is there any need for some of the personal remarks aimed at individuals?You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.
Very interesting debate here.Is there any need for some of the personal remarks aimed at individuals?You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.
Posted by: jezza on 9:23am Fri 28 Mar 08
So let me get this straight,according to jack "i am gay" frost,short of MURDER,don't sack the lovely bin men? Have I got that right? Because that's what it sounds like to me! Does one of your boyfriends work for biffa jackieboy!
So let me get this straight,according to jack "i am gay" frost,short of MURDER,don't sack the lovely bin men? Have I got that right? Because that's what it sounds like to me! Does one of your boyfriends work for biffa jackieboy!
Posted by: jezza on 9:29am Fri 28 Mar 08
To amazed(and I bet you are)there is EVERY need for personal remarks. THE GREATEST DEBATING CHAMBER IN THE WORLD is full of insults. Take more interest in politics(life).
To amazed(and I bet you are)there is EVERY need for personal remarks. THE GREATEST DEBATING CHAMBER IN THE WORLD is full of insults. Take more interest in politics(life).
Posted by: David Beckham, Disney World on 10:33am Fri 28 Mar 08
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. and i would just like to say, what an absolute wan*er jezza is.I often read the comments on here, but to get up at alf 9 to slate people on a forum is sad, i reckon he a sad lonely old fella who STILL lives with his mummy, oh wel jizz stain life full of insults.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. and i would just like to say, what an absolute wan*er jezza is.I often read the comments on here, but to get up at alf 9 to slate people on a forum is sad, i reckon he a sad lonely old fella who STILL lives with his mummy, oh wel jizz stain life full of insults.
Posted by: jezza on 11:29am Fri 28 Mar 08
I would defend your right to your opinion till I got bored. And by the way,I think your a sh*t football player,greedy beyond belief and you have a girls voice.
I would defend your right to your opinion till I got bored. And by the way,I think your a sh*t football player,greedy beyond belief and you have a girls voice.
Posted by: Ray Rowland, Noctorum on 1:04pm Fri 28 Mar 08
To Harry Bafta I would make the following point the "Biffa Employee" made it far clearer than Biffa did with regard to the random tests being carried out by an outside agency. Now do you see the point I was making
To Harry Bafta I would make the following point the "Biffa Employee" made it far clearer than Biffa did with regard to the random tests being carried out by an outside agency. Now do you see the point I was making
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 2:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Albeit after the event Mr Rowland.
Albeit after the event Mr Rowland.
Posted by: Sir Bob Marley, Jamica on 2:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Jizza, Its true all you do is slate people i have read all your comments you have left. You have gotta be the biggest **** HOLE AROUND.I think the only forum website you should be on is singledates.com you need to get a social life looser!
Jizza, Its true all you do is slate people i have read all your comments you have left. You have gotta be the biggest **** HOLE AROUND.I think the only forum website you should be on is singledates.com you need to get a social life looser!
Posted by: jezza on 3:05pm Fri 28 Mar 08
You dream about ****holes because you live in them! And yes,I do point out peoples shortcomings,It's for their own good. And as for your music,one needs to be stoned to listen to it and get your bl**dy hair cut!
You dream about ****holes because you live in them! And yes,I do point out peoples shortcomings,It's for their own good. And as for your music,one needs to be stoned to listen to it and get your bl**dy hair cut!
Posted by: Sir Bob Marley, Jamica on 3:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Proved me point the look how fast you replied to the comment 9 minutes get a life! And i would tell you to get a hair cut but your an old bouldy grump. And if anyones stonned it who eve you been liven with to put up with a toss up like you.
Proved me point the look how fast you replied to the comment 9 minutes get a life! And i would tell you to get a hair cut but your an old bouldy grump. And if anyones stonned it who eve you been liven with to put up with a toss up like you.
Posted by: jezza on 3:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What? That was just gibberish,you can't even spell. Do you know what day it is? If I knew what language your TRYING to speak perhaps we could continue. You retard. You must work for biffa!
What? That was just gibberish,you can't even spell. Do you know what day it is? If I knew what language your TRYING to speak perhaps we could continue. You retard. You must work for biffa!
Posted by: jezza on 4:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Your obviously a product of our "right on" educational system(Another reason to sack teachers). Do you people do anything in school? Apart from "hugging" your teacher because he's your "mate" I presume you all sit down and discuss last nights eastenders? Well god help you in the real world me laddie,unless you become a civil servant that is,ie you "work" for the council(a contradiction in terms)in that case you can just carry on as before,in fact it will get easier! And I have time on my hands because I'm a rich millionaire,my doctor says I should come on here and slag people off to keep my blood pressure down.
Your obviously a product of our "right on" educational system(Another reason to sack teachers). Do you people do anything in school? Apart from "hugging" your teacher because he's your "mate" I presume you all sit down and discuss last nights eastenders? Well god help you in the real world me laddie,unless you become a civil servant that is,ie you "work" for the council(a contradiction in terms)in that case you can just carry on as before,in fact it will get easier! And I have time on my hands because I'm a rich millionaire,my doctor says I should come on here and slag people off to keep my blood pressure down.
Posted by: amazed!! on 6:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08
To Jezza.What goes round comes round.I do take an interest in politics and I do have a life.It appears your's revolves around insulting people.Dont bother to reply to this comment of mine because I wont be coming back on to see any further discussions ,it was quite interesting untill you entered it with stupid banal remarks.
To Jezza.What goes round comes round.I do take an interest in politics and I do have a life.It appears your's revolves around insulting people.Dont bother to reply to this comment of mine because I wont be coming back on to see any further discussions ,it was quite interesting untill you entered it with stupid banal remarks.
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 6:44pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Well, Jezza are you Feeling Insecure, or do you Consistantley Deny yourself Access to the Outside World, Oh by the way, is this your HOMEPAGE!!!!, you Sad ...T.
Well, Jezza are you Feeling Insecure, or do you Consistantley Deny yourself Access to the Outside World, Oh by the way, is this your HOMEPAGE!!!!, you Sad ...T.
Posted by: jezza on 8:19pm Fri 28 Mar 08
COUNCIL WORKERS!
Posted by: HarryBafta, Birkenhead Bus Station on 8:22pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jezza[/bold] wrote:
COUNCIL WORKERS![/quote] [bold]No, Mental Health Worker!.[/bold]
jezza wrote:
COUNCIL WORKERS!
No, Mental Health Worker!. Posted by: David Beckham, 118-236 on 9:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08
jizzum,u av bin found out. leave ur adress an ill send u 10p so u can buy a life! might find 1 on tinternet. sad, pathetic, loser! get a grip and do us all a favour an [bold]f**k off 4 good.[/bold]
jizzum,u av bin found out. leave ur adress an ill send u 10p so u can buy a life! might find 1 on tinternet. sad, pathetic, loser! get a grip and do us all a favour an
f**k off 4 good. Posted by: Jack Frost, birkenhead on 10:20pm Fri 28 Mar 08
It looks like all the sacked binmen are leaving messages here, you off your heads or what?
Jezza for PM
It looks like all the sacked binmen are leaving messages here, you off your heads or what?
Jezza for PM
Posted by: Jack Frost, birkenhead on 11:36pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Maggie, John, Tony, and Gordon.... the collective noun is TW8T
Maggie, John, Tony, and Gordon.... the collective noun is TW8T
Posted by: teki's toenails, Birkenhead on 12:51am Sat 29 Mar 08
Leave Jezza alone, he actually makes some good points, especially all you damm Council Workers!!!
I always knew that they infiltrated this site in order to keep tabes on the abuse being given out to certain council officials. Here's a hint,. satop coming on here, and start serving the people of Wirral instead of making numerous co**-ips and gaffes. That goes as well for members from technical services who have been posting here...haven't you got bins to go and rummage through?
Oh aye and Mr Bollo is a tw**! Sad, pathetic little man- i bet he's eating on his pot noodle as we speak, playing chess with his gay mate nigel!
Leave Jezza alone, he actually makes some good points, especially all you damm Council Workers!!!
I always knew that they infiltrated this site in order to keep tabes on the abuse being given out to certain council officials. Here's a hint,. satop coming on here, and start serving the people of Wirral instead of making numerous co**-ips and gaffes. That goes as well for members from technical services who have been posting here...haven't you got bins to go and rummage through?
Oh aye and Mr Bollo is a tw**! Sad, pathetic little man- i bet he's eating on his pot noodle as we speak, playing chess with his gay mate nigel!
Posted by: jezza on 9:31am Sat 29 Mar 08
Some of this abuse is outrageous,the language! Obviously teachers. Now behave or you'll get detention. What is it nowadays? 5 minutes? Watch a DVD? Group hug?
Some of this abuse is outrageous,the language! Obviously teachers. Now behave or you'll get detention. What is it nowadays? 5 minutes? Watch a DVD? Group hug?
Posted by: David Beckham, USA on 2:16pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[bold]I RETIRE![/bold]
Posted by: David, Wirral on 9:41pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Unbelievable. When a job requires an immense amount of responsibility such as pushing a bin off a pavement and hooking it onto the back of a bin wagon, and then discarding it on it's side, I find it incredible that these people should be dismissed.
What with increasing demands on the bin men, including not having to pick up bin bags, not taking bins that have ajar lids, being as noisy as possible, and of course the added strain of having to plough through grass verges with their 10 ton wagons, it should be LAW that these hard-working, always pleasant pillars and true winners of the community should be rewarded with a bottle of Diamond White every morning 9if they decide that that day is the one they should empty the bins).
[bold]Up the binmen![/bold] My road will not be the same without the unpredictable collection times, the randomly emptied bins, and mostly, the happy chaps in the yellow jackets emptying them!
Unbelievable. When a job requires an immense amount of responsibility such as pushing a bin off a pavement and hooking it onto the back of a bin wagon, and then discarding it on it's side, I find it incredible that these people should be dismissed.
What with increasing demands on the bin men, including not having to pick up bin bags, not taking bins that have ajar lids, being as noisy as possible, and of course the added strain of having to plough through grass verges with their 10 ton wagons, it should be LAW that these hard-working, always pleasant pillars and true winners of the community should be rewarded with a bottle of Diamond White every morning 9if they decide that that day is the one they should empty the bins).
Up the binmen! My road will not be the same without the unpredictable collection times, the randomly emptied bins, and mostly, the happy chaps in the yellow jackets emptying them!
Posted by: ME, moreton on 11:56am Sun 30 Mar 08
our bin men do a good job very good in fact there is a lad who works his socks off and has done for many years even when W B C emptied the bins he is a red headed wonder THANKS[quote]quote[/quote]
our bin men do a good job very good in fact there is a lad who works his socks off and has done for many years even when W B C emptied the bins he is a red headed wonder THANKS
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Posted by: marje on 2:40pm Sun 30 Mar 08
As always the minority spoil it for the majority.Those that cast stones must reside in glass house's,or are they oblivious to the greater extent of refuse collection.I would not like to do this job and i bet a few of the male poster's on here would not do the job either,but someone does so let's not paint them all black ay!
As always the minority spoil it for the majority.Those that cast stones must reside in glass house's,or are they oblivious to the greater extent of refuse collection.I would not like to do this job and i bet a few of the male poster's on here would not do the job either,but someone does so let's not paint them all black ay!
Posted by: Jack Frost, birkenhead on 4:21pm Sun 30 Mar 08
oh yeah ! when was the last time you saw a black bin man, now they wouldnt need drugs to work hard...
oh yeah ! when was the last time you saw a black bin man, now they wouldnt need drugs to work hard...
Posted by: jezza on 6:19pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Now you mention it I've never seen one which could be discrimination because I'm sure we would ALL like to see proper representation across the board. In ALL occupations,which means Biffa and the rest should be ACTIVELY promoting recruitment,in fact POSITIVE discimination should be...sod it,I've lost the will to live!
Now you mention it I've never seen one which could be discrimination because I'm sure we would ALL like to see proper representation across the board. In ALL occupations,which means Biffa and the rest should be ACTIVELY promoting recruitment,in fact POSITIVE discimination should be...sod it,I've lost the will to live!
Posted by: marje on 8:53pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Shame on you both JACK FROST AND YOU JEZZA.Why do you take an innocent remark and make it into something sinister, i will certainly report you both for casting innuendoe's and suggesting discrimination.YOU are both a waste of positive attitude.Alas for my innocent remark i sparked off another tide of verbal diarrhoera from sewer outlets you call mouths.NO FURTHER COMMENT FROM MY PERSON TO YOU BOTH."FINI" I deem your comments to be ofensive.
Shame on you both JACK FROST AND YOU JEZZA.Why do you take an innocent remark and make it into something sinister, i will certainly report you both for casting innuendoe's and suggesting discrimination.YOU are both a waste of positive attitude.Alas for my innocent remark i sparked off another tide of verbal diarrhoera from sewer outlets you call mouths.NO FURTHER COMMENT FROM MY PERSON TO YOU BOTH."FINI" I deem your comments to be ofensive.
Posted by: marje on 8:55pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I deem your comment's to be offensive
I deem your comment's to be offensive
Posted by: David, Wirral on 11:36pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Well, I say bring more blacks into the Waste Technician trade! I detest this blatant discrimination!
Well, I say bring more blacks into the Waste Technician trade! I detest this blatant discrimination!
Posted by: pierre durand, wirral on 11:54am Mon 31 Mar 08
What about disabled folk? They could hook bins on the back of wheel chairs...
What about disabled folk? They could hook bins on the back of wheel chairs...
Posted by: Adolf, planet x on 4:16pm Mon 31 Mar 08
Bont bother moaning the fascist elite dont give a toss! they cant make money from stealth taxes if they have an efficient bin collection can they!!! brain washed muppets!!
Bont bother moaning the fascist elite dont give a toss! they cant make money from stealth taxes if they have an efficient bin collection can they!!! brain washed muppets!!
Posted by: htid, birkenhead on 4:33pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[bold]1. if you are goin to complain about the way they do there jobs do it yourself being a binman must be a awful job and it is a job that many people look down on!
2. getting a fine for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin is REDICULIOUS! what if a little kid put a sweet wrapper in the wrong bin or a passer by put rubbish in your bin to save littering... we arnt goin to look threw the bin everyday to check that no1 has put anything in it are we? i think the goverment is just running out of ideas to CONTROL and get money off us!!![/bold]
1. if you are goin to complain about the way they do there jobs do it yourself being a binman must be a awful job and it is a job that many people look down on!
2. getting a fine for putting the wrong rubbish in the wrong bin is REDICULIOUS! what if a little kid put a sweet wrapper in the wrong bin or a passer by put rubbish in your bin to save littering... we arnt goin to look threw the bin everyday to check that no1 has put anything in it are we? i think the goverment is just running out of ideas to CONTROL and get money off us!!! Posted by: MUCCA, muncca@yahoo.com on 5:25pm Mon 31 Mar 08
[bold]AM TERRIFIED BIN STRIKE??? YOU MEAN THEY DONT COLLECT THE RUBBISH?? NO F-U-C-K-ING CHANGE THERE THEN!!![/bold]
AM TERRIFIED BIN STRIKE??? YOU MEAN THEY DONT COLLECT THE RUBBISH?? NO F-U-C-K-ING CHANGE THERE THEN!!! Posted by: michael, wirral on 6:49pm Mon 31 Mar 08
as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right [i[bold]bold[/bold] italic[/italic] [quote]quote[/quote]
as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right
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Posted by: jezza on 9:42pm Mon 31 Mar 08
marge,this is you-"teacher! teacher! sir! sir! I saw jenkins smoking sir,yes sir, I did" Think I give a flying sh*t what you think? You old rip!
marge,this is you-"teacher! teacher! sir! sir! I saw jenkins smoking sir,yes sir, I did" Think I give a flying sh*t what you think? You old rip!
Posted by: Jack Frost, birkenhead on 1:08am Tue 1 Apr 08
Marje,
We all have an opinion, some are valid, all are heard, some right, many wrong
Marje,
We all have an opinion, some are valid, all are heard, some right, many wrong
Posted by: Spiffy, Wallasey on 11:39am Tue 1 Apr 08
I find it bizarre that the T&GWU will be attempting to defend employees sacked for breaching their contracts in this manner. How exactly is consistent absenteeism and/or turning up for work smashed not grounds for dismissal ?? Really, how lax are the employment laws these days ??
I find it bizarre that the T&GWU will be attempting to defend employees sacked for breaching their contracts in this manner. How exactly is consistent absenteeism and/or turning up for work smashed not grounds for dismissal ?? Really, how lax are the employment laws these days ??
Posted by: mr bin, bhead on 5:24pm Wed 2 Apr 08
i wrk for biffa and must explain the drug policy the policy is not implace or written in your contract of employment.this all stems to someone in the work force handing a list of people who take cannabis of a night and ecstacey cocaine @ the weekends week not during work aand only people sacked are street cleaners not binmen the tests they do are urine tests for drugs breath for alcohol. the urine tests only show you have taken drugs but are not telling the comany when you took them so you could have joint the night before get tested next day and be sacked.almost 90% of of work force have seen a member of management to say they do recreational drugs in their own time and they have been told that is not acceptable and they must stop i accept drugs should not be done in work especially in the enviroment of the work done. but to infringe on human rights to say wot you can and cannot do is wrongin your own time
i wrk for biffa and must explain the drug policy the policy is not implace or written in your contract of employment.this all stems to someone in the work force handing a list of people who take cannabis of a night and ecstacey cocaine @ the weekends week not during work aand only people sacked are street cleaners not binmen the tests they do are urine tests for drugs breath for alcohol. the urine tests only show you have taken drugs but are not telling the comany when you took them so you could have joint the night before get tested next day and be sacked.almost 90% of of work force have seen a member of management to say they do recreational drugs in their own time and they have been told that is not acceptable and they must stop i accept drugs should not be done in work especially in the enviroment of the work done. but to infringe on human rights to say wot you can and cannot do is wrongin your own time
Posted by: mr bin, bhead on 5:33pm Wed 2 Apr 08
in answer to those who say there no black lads at biffa u are wrong there is black lads on the streets and on the bins
in answer to those who say there no black lads at biffa u are wrong there is black lads on the streets and on the bins
Posted by: JIMBOB on 8:30am Thu 3 Apr 08
Dear Mr bin. I began reading your first comment,thinking,yes
,this man is genuine,he obviously has no real education and got bored,confused,had to make some tea,half way through.
Dear Mr bin. I began reading your first comment,thinking,yes
,this man is genuine,he obviously has no real education and got bored,confused,had to make some tea,half way through.
Posted by: mr bin on 4:59pm Thu 3 Apr 08
JIMBOB dont tar me with your brush u must be doley to be postin @ 08.30 am today get a grip you dont know the facts u T O S S E R
JIMBOB dont tar me with your brush u must be doley to be postin @ 08.30 am today get a grip you dont know the facts u T O S S E R
Posted by: mr bin, bhead on 7:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08
to u all the outside firm doing the tests is a ex policemen and do you trust the police
to u all the outside firm doing the tests is a ex policemen and do you trust the police
Posted by: JIMBOB on 9:25pm Thu 3 Apr 08
That's the spirit! I was actually flying over Tokyo when I posted,I can't remember the exact time. I don't need to know the facts,you call me a doley in an insulting manner when in fact YOUR job is possibly one step up from charity work! You mention human rights because you heard it on T.V. once and I bet you have a stooped back and small head! Trust the police? More than I'd trust you,just to do your job.
That's the spirit! I was actually flying over Tokyo when I posted,I can't remember the exact time. I don't need to know the facts,you call me a doley in an insulting manner when in fact YOUR job is possibly one step up from charity work! You mention human rights because you heard it on T.V. once and I bet you have a stooped back and small head! Trust the police? More than I'd trust you,just to do your job.
Posted by: mr bin, bhead on 2:03pm Fri 4 Apr 08
you dont know me i'm out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do
you dont know me i'm out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do
Posted by: bigfoot, Wirral on 3:28pm Fri 4 Apr 08
[quote][bold]mr bin[/bold] wrote:
you dont know me i\'m out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do [/quote] Looks like MENSA has closed early for the weekend!
mr bin wrote:
you dont know me i\'m out till six most nights doing my job properly 5 days a week so that T O S S E R S like u dont whinge and any round ive been on is the same its only a small minority of rounds that dont finish their wrk.and a holes like you say the whole work force are crap.and i bet you could not do the job all year round in all weather.so wot important job do u do
Looks like MENSA has closed early for the weekend!
Posted by: JIMBOB on 4:22pm Fri 4 Apr 08
I could tell you what I do....but then I'd have to kill you.
I could tell you what I do....but then I'd have to kill you.
Posted by: jack jones on 6:53pm Sat 5 Apr 08
[quote][bold]michael[/bold] wrote:
as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right [i[bold]bold[/bold] italic[/italic] [quote]quote[/quote] [/quote] YES THE BIGGEST OFFENDER WAS THE UNION REPS SON AND NOBODY CARED UNTIL HE GOT SACKED
michael wrote:
as a biffa employee there are a few things that the other employee who wont leave his name has got wrong all the men and a woman none of them were binmen or hvg drivers they where all of the streets side of it so if you would like to leave your comments please leave your name and get your facts right quote
YES THE BIGGEST OFFENDER WAS THE UNION REPS SON AND NOBODY CARED UNTIL HE GOT SACKED
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