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8:16am Wednesday 6th February 2008

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By Craig Manning »

A BOYCOTT against Mersey Tunnels is being considered after tolls increased again this week.

The increases were approved by six Liverpool-based members of Merseytravel's board on Monday afternoon and from April 6, car drivers will be charged £1.40 per journey through either the Kingsway or Queensway tunnels.

“I don’t believe that putting 10p on the toll will break the bank.”

Cllr Mark Dowd

But owners of class two vehicles, including minbuses and small goods vehicles, will be hit hardest, as their toll is going up from £1.30 to £2.80 per journey.

Buses and vehicles weighing more than 3.5 tonnes will be charged £4.20 and HGVs will incur a 40p rise to £5.60 per journey.

All four Wirral councillors on Merseytravel's board voted against the increase, intended to raise money for travel schemes across Merseyside.

John McGoldrick, secretary of the Mersey Tunnel Users' Association told Globe that the increase will hit Wirral drivers hard and is urging drivers to boycott the tunnels.

He told the Globe: "It's bad news for the people of Wirral. For a district which has the highest emigration rate in Britain, this rise is enough reason for people to leave Wirral. The association will be meeting to discuss this and to start a demonstration against this. One of the options will be a boycott.

"As long as there are tunnels there will be tolls, but it would be a major financial boost to Wirral if the tunnels were free.

He added: "These increases aren't going towards paying off the debt of the tunnels, which was the whole reason for the tolls in the first place. They are purely for making a profit."

On Monday, six members of Mersey Travel's board voted in favour of the increases, with four against them and eight abstaining.

Conservative councillor Chris Blakeley, Labour councillors Ron Abbey and Denis Knowles, and Lib Dem Cllr Dave Mitchell, all voted against the toll rises. The rest of the Lib-Dem members abstained.

Cllr Blakeley said afterwards: "I am disappointed that despite the arguments put forward by me that the board voted narrowly in favour of raising the tunnel tolls, six four, four against, with eight Liberal Democrats abstaining.

"It has been said that It's only 10p per journey per car, so what's the problem? Ten pence per journey may not seem much but, if you use the tunnels every day throughout your working life it all adds up.

"The non-political Mersey Tunnel Users Association calculates that each tunnel user already pays £75,000 throughout their lives.

"And what about those users who, up until this proposal were classified the same as class 1, their reclassification into class 2 banding will result in a huge increase from £1.30 per journey to £2.80 per journey a massive increase of 115%, the effects of that could prove catastrophic to small businesses.

"With regard to car users who are by far the biggest majority of tunnel users. The point is not that it is 10 pence; the question is why should there be tolls at all?

"Once again, we are seeing Wirral residents being hit with a tax hike. It is time that Merseytravel and the Government followed the example of the Scottish Executive and placed both tunnels within the national road network, free of tolls."

Merseytravel chairman, Cllr Mark Dowd, said: "In 1992, the tunnels were £1. In 2006, the price was put up to £1.30.

"I understand that people don't wish to pay extra cash, but tunnel running costs are £35m a year, which pays for wages, tunnel maintenance and heath and safety measures.

"I don't believe that putting 10p on the toll will break the bank."


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SPM, Wirral says...
8:30am Wed 6 Feb 08

Not only will this effect travelers but have they not thought about people not bothering with the tunnel and going to the likes of Chester or even Manchester for thier shopping. They have a monopoly that they are abusing. Switch to boats and trains and they will put those prices up. This is a cartel that is not respecting its end users.WBC should take them to court on this one, or are they getting a cut? The people who built the Queensway tunnel built it for the good of the people and to bring communities together, this lot will destry this slowly and surely. They have been put in these positions to hold together an infrastructure that is sound and working well. Add up all the recent rises and the inflation rate is useless. I would block it not boycott it.

Ray Rowland, Noctorum says...
9:19am Wed 6 Feb 08

The Lib-Dems who abstained make me think I should terminate my membership of this party.Mark Dowd would think it was alright to hike the prices wouldn't he like other councillors his travel is covered by us the council tax payers

Peter Robinson, Wirral says...
1:15pm Wed 6 Feb 08

Do we honestly believe Mark Dowd's comments that the tolls are to cover operating costs? If the tunnels were free there would be no need for the levels of burocracy and policing that exists today. There has to be a substantial case for bringing the police operation into the Merseyside Force.Rush hour jams would reduce - no filtering from 8 boothes into two lanes - it would be straight through. Don't forget that the Board wanted to use the Tunnel profits, yes profits, to help finance the failed Liverpool and Knowsley tramway.I feel wool being pulled over my eyes again.

Peter Sheldon, Wirral says...
1:45pm Wed 6 Feb 08

Merseytravel, under its new powers granted a couple of years ago, now reserves the right to raise tolls as and when it sees fit.

Meantime, I reserve the right to call them an outrageous unregulated quango who should at the very least be subject to an independent audit - and preferably before these new tolls come into force on April 6, because - as everyone knows - by then it will be too late.

On another note, no offence to the Scots as a race or a country, but a gentle pointer for Darling and Broon as individuals raiding a foreign land: Your clock's ticking, so we understand why you're making the worst possible job of it down here until you're booted off back to your own country.

Geoff McKeown, Greasby says...
2:35pm Wed 6 Feb 08

So, 8 abstaining Lib-Dem councillors who find it hard to decide on 10p increase YES/NO? Doesn't say a lot for their judgement or the clarity of their vision on just WHO they represent. Maybe they're in the wrong job.
What's all this talk about boycott? You want to make a real impact, you need about 100 vehicles all pulling up to the tunnels on the 1st day of the new charges and putting in only the old charge, then refusing to put in the extra. Result - about 3-4 hours of gridlock. That would certainly focus the minds of abstaining councillors. Obviously legal advice would be needed but there must be a lot of barristers who are just as teed off as everybody else.

C McAllister, Wallasey says...
3:42pm Wed 6 Feb 08

Re: gridlock at the tunnels (see above comment)

This seems like the place to organise it then, doesn't it? Let's enocurage our fellow drivers to log on here and support a blockade. As long as it's not illegal (because what's to say drivers are simply just confused by the higher tolls and don't have money on them on April 6?????)

Insider, Wirral says...
3:45pm Wed 6 Feb 08

I can understand that, having wasted £70m on the doomed-but-supposedl
y-entirely-unrelated
-to-this-issue Merseytram scheme, that Merseytravel needs cash.

But hang on - why the hell aren't the Tunnels (and the tolls) part of the "projects" that Merseytravel is supposed to be looking after? Instead of just being the cash cow?

I see Ben Chapman has expressed dismay at the rises - pity the other three couldn't find it in themselves to say a few words.

Mind you, it isn't election time yet, is it?

steve, west kirby says...
4:25pm Wed 6 Feb 08

if "its only 10p and wont break the bank" then its only 10p to the council too - so leave it alone.£35m a year running costs - I don't believe it, and is part of this to maintain the radio interception system which despite the recent rush hour delays never gets used, perhaps the profit could go to sorting out the 3rd lane issue on weekday mornings which since Christmas seems to be low on the to do list.

It may well take until 2048 to clear the debt if an extra £3.6m pa is taking out of the tunnels and spent in Knowsley - perhaps improving the infrastructure for Everton's new stadium ?

g jones, birkenhead says...
7:52pm Wed 6 Feb 08

Not surprised that it was Liverpool councillors who voted for the increase on tolls when 80% of the users come from the Wirral,they dont care as long as Liverpuddlians arnt paying for it, and will that mean since the majority of the income from the tunnels comes from the Wirral that it will be spent on the wirral? Dont think so !

Chris Harris, says...
8:40pm Wed 6 Feb 08

I am not surprised the tolls are going up you only have to look at the car park of the Tunnels to see a reflection of the wages the employees are on. My friend is a Police Officer with Merseyside Police and he regularly points out the expensive Tunnel Police Landrover Discoveries parked at Wallasey that never seem to move. I believe they have an Inspector and Sergeant for about every 5 Constables surely that means Inspector and Sergeant wages. The Dartford crossing is £1.00 and the Tunnel staff are not paid Police Officer type wages and they keep the Tunnels and bridge clear. The Tunnel toll is a running sore to the people of Wirral and Merseytravel should be ashamed.

Outlaw, Birkenhead says...
9:06pm Wed 6 Feb 08

typical labour, making it too expensive to live in the country, i want to see them out vote conservative and we will all have more money in our back pockets. absoulty disgusting maybe they should try taking their hands away from in front of their faces and reliase the severe debt there puting good law obieding citzens through

Ray Henderson, Neston says...
11:45pm Wed 6 Feb 08

In answer to the question “would increasing the tunnel toll ease congestion “ this has to be YES (but only in the tunnels as a lot less people will use them).

Scott Davies, birkenhead says...
1:36am Thu 7 Feb 08

right first fings first.... if they want us to pay 10p more then 1st sort the tunnels out so they are not 1 lane or like the b-head1 often is CLOSED 2nd why should the people of wirral pay for the failed tramway when we wernt going to benift from it anyway

ust scrap the tolls, and lower the staffs wages to the minimum wage like most other people £5.52 and come on do we really need land rovers to patrol the tunnels? all they are is cloreifide security gards

as for the people go to the tolls and only put £1,30 the tolls were only ment to me pay untill the 70's not 2008 still paying just becasue Mersey Travel are useless at there jobs look at birkenhead bus station thats a waste of time and money beacuse its always gridlocked dureing the day (mon-sat) theres 2 many buses all they need to do is move some buses to diffrent stands but that is 2 much like hard work for them so god knows how they can organise 2 tunnels and yep it will reduce congestion only because no1 will use them and get buses and trains just because were from the wirral dosnt mean we all have lots of cash

so to finish mersey travel are absolutly a waste of time and money.

Rob Biddulph, wallasey says...
11:43am Thu 7 Feb 08

I have just been reading the article on the rise in tolls for the tunnels. What amazes me is the fact that both articles I have read in the free press have not thought to get the facts correct. By this I mean that Merseytravel say that the increases are to try and get more people to use public transport. But in actual fact unlike what the articles say, the present toll for a bus is £1.30, the same as a car. When the rise comes in it will mean a jump of £2.90 per journey for busses. This will be a great increase in cost to the bus companies and who do you think will pay this extra cost? The public of course with a rise in fares. So although people travelling to work in cars will incure a 10p increase those travelling by bus will see the biggest increases. Also if you think about it Merseytravel who run the trains are sure to see an increase in there passengers by not increasing there fares. So all in all they could gain both ways and the wirral public who rely on busses to get to and from work end up once again being the main loosers and not necessarily the car users.

teki, Birkenhead says...
2:56pm Thu 7 Feb 08

Stop your bl**dy moaning! If you don't like it,live and work in the same place and if your incapable of that get a moped-it's free and bio-degradable!

Dave Rimmer, Wallasey says...
7:06pm Thu 7 Feb 08

Rob.....you got it in one. Merseytravel have very cleverly tried to hide this fact. The hypocrisy of Merseytravel to state that all these increases are to encourage the public to use public transport and yet the very vehicles that provide this transport are hit with the largest INCREASE of £2.90.
As for the 8 abstainees, what a bunch of cowards, only interested in their own poltical ends. Its about time the Merseytravel committees were represented by the real people and not local, gutless politicians

Frank Carson, Liverpool says...
7:22pm Thu 7 Feb 08

Why do the tunnel(hobby bobbies)police need new 4x4s, surely they could use fiesta size vehicles, more fuel efficent, cheaper tax, so on and so on, all keeps cost down.
The truth is they will put the charges up year after year and whilst we all moan about it we will all continue to pay this and future increases.
If everyone was to boycott the tunnels for one full week after each rise, then they may look at these rises differently.

Jack Frost, wirral says...
8:14pm Thu 7 Feb 08

The tunnels bill is expected to end in 2048, however this is ONLY for the Wallasey (Kingsway) tunnel, the Birkenhead tunnel has already been paid for.

chris, wirral says...
11:32pm Thu 7 Feb 08

Why are mersey travel wasting money on flowers at the Wallasey end of the tunnel,is it to give us sonething pretty to look at while we wait in the endless queues. Surely if we are paying for a service i.e. to use the road we should have some kind of value for money, if you have to wait more than five minutes to get into the tunnel you shouln't have to pay at all.
I also agree that the tunnel police don't need the new and expensive cars that seem to keep appearing


Spiffy, Wallasey says...
12:06am Fri 8 Feb 08

The thing is though that people will moan for a while and then put up with it. Some will have no choice but to do so.

Same with mortgage interest, council tax, fuel, gas, water and electric rises. Wages, and dare I mention benefits, dont even begin to cover the multitude of rises we are currently being slapped with.

Dunno why they dont just bring back the workhouses and have done with it. I swear it is heading that way.

KeithW, Wirral says...
1:07am Fri 8 Feb 08

Boycott is not a bad idea, first day of new toll charge at rush hour just sit in your car, van or lorry and cause grid lock.
Can you imagine ANY OTHER country accepting this sort of treatment on tolls.

Monty Python, Wirral NOT Liverpool says...
1:55am Fri 8 Feb 08

It would only take 20 or so motorists to "break down" (Know what I mean,nudge, nudge, wink, wink) all at the same time. Anyone got the b*lls?

Monty Python, Wirral NOT Liverpool says...
2:02am Fri 8 Feb 08

Oh sorry, for maximum disruption and chaos make sure the "break downs" are actually IN the pipe (both lanes, of course)

Monty Python, Wirral NOT Liverpool says...
2:06am Fri 8 Feb 08

A few HGV`s would go down well, I`m sure the lads would co-operate with this one..they are one of the heaviest hit user groups

Spiffy, Wallasey says...
9:11am Fri 8 Feb 08

You will be charged for 'breaking down' in the tunnel. Nice idea but it will hit you even harder in the wallet :(

Marchen, Wirral says...
1:17pm Fri 8 Feb 08

If you must use the tunnel only use the manned booths in both direction. Then lets see just how long these excessive charges last.
As for all the Liberal Councillors abstaining remember this when we next have ellections.

Deep thinker, Wirral says...
8:29pm Fri 8 Feb 08

Totally agree with Marchen - at the next election we should all remember that the Lib Dems abstained - oh yeah and that the Lib Dem controlled Liverpool Council has been rated as the worst run council in England!

Ricky, Wirral says...
9:51pm Fri 8 Feb 08

ItÂ’s outrageous telling us that the Tunnels need more money and then putting in the flowers at Wallasey.
You donÂ’t have to breakdown to cause a protest just drive slowly but remember there is a minimum speed limit of 10mph. Lets all do it otherwise it will be another 10p next year.

Mike, Moreton says...
9:53pm Fri 8 Feb 08

Mark Dowd's PR skills are virtually n on-existent. He smugly says that rise is to deter people from using cars and get them onto public transport, and that 10 pence extra isn't much (it is when you use them regularly), yet omits to mention that tolls for buses are rising as well!


The tunnels are mostly used by Wirral commuters going over to Liverpool, and so is the majority of the revenue. Yet this money goes to fund transport projects in Merseyside generally such as the failed tram project.

Liverpool Council are only slighlty less worse than Wirral Borough Council, yet we seem to be paying for both of their mistakes!! We've already paid for Wirral Council's ineptitude on numerous issues... Why should we now have to fund trams for Liverpool, Sefton or Knowsley?

As for the Lib-Dems who abstained, well you hippy sandal- wearing idiots will be booted out at the next election, I just hope you lose your deposits.

Merseytravel have to keep thinking of things to do with the Tunnels in order to justify the tolls, they'll probably be getting Lawrence Llwellyn Bowen in next to give them a makeover...

Monty Python, Wirral NOT Liverpool says...
11:37am Sat 9 Feb 08

I have just looked at the timetable for the night tunnel busthat is run no commercially from 30 minutes past midinght to 05.30 (5 hours daily)A quick calculation suggests to me that the toll INCREASE for that service will be in the region of £17,000.
How is that going to encourage people to use public transport but its not a bad start in recovering £70 million at the expense of the residents of Wirral, is it Mr Scales and Mr Dowd

Monty Python, Wirral NOT Liverpool says...
12:57pm Sat 9 Feb 08

Sorry, didnt mean to confuse anyone. Of course the increase will be £17,000 per year

Outlaw, Birkenhead says...
3:54pm Sat 9 Feb 08

Give us name and address of these Liberal left wingers who voted for the rise. I will make them pay! seriously lets see how they like an increase in cost of repairs for there cars having brick through window,

Dave Rimmer, Wallasey says...
11:40pm Sat 9 Feb 08

Sorry, my friend, whilst I appreciate your anger at the Lib/Dem gutless abstainers, violence is not the answer. There have been some very good suggestions how to legally disrupt the tunnels and perhaps a combination of only using the manned booths, driving at 10 mph and a few "breakdowns" would force Merseytravel into re-thinking their actions

Tom, Wirral says...
2:07pm Sun 10 Feb 08

I would love to be able to use public transport to get to work as it would save me a lot of money. However to get over to Knowsley to start at 6am would be impossible. I regurlarly used the buses and trains whilst going to college in Speke and for about 6 months there wasn't a single day when the bus was on time and the trains where not cancelled. Putting the tolls up is a disgrace and I'm seriously considering using the Runcorn bridge route from now on. It'll add extra mileage and time to my journey but if I'm not paying for something that was intended to be free I'll feel happier.


Pete Gunn, Bromborough says...
2:48am Mon 11 Feb 08

You know what really grinds my gears? Mersey travel, as a sponser of the Capital City of culture rubbish, probably needs the money for that too. Look at the huge sign as you leave the wallasey side of the tunnel "You are now leaving the capital city of culture" sign. No your not your entering Wirral. What a **** nerve....

dave, bebington says...
3:09pm Tue 12 Feb 08

Tunnel fares up 10p, what a cheek.

Shame saveaways have gone up from £2.40 to £3.20 90p incease!!!

Train fares have go up 10p as well!!

Public transport who can afford busfares on low incomes???

Nobody thats who..

Jack Frost, birkenhead says...
9:47pm Tue 12 Feb 08

just been to Queensferry, Edinburgh, and travelled across the Forth Bridge, the toll was £1 the day before yesterday, now its free !

How come the celts can afford this and we can't ??

Although I must mention that the celts are not as clever as they like to make us think as last year they spent hundreds of thousands upgrading their tolls booths, which have now been removed...

HA you couldn't make this cr8p up...

just trying, hoylake says...
1:31pm Fri 22 Feb 08

Do we honestly believe Mark Dowd's comments that the tolls are to cover operating costs?
mmm

Nigel McLelland, wirral says...
11:56am Mon 25 Feb 08

All this boils down to is the wage increase the big wigs will get out of the increase. They are only worried about them selfs, like most bosses these days.

stan adkins, says...
12:28am Wed 2 Apr 08

already costs £1000+ a year to get to and from work in a transit van costs same as a car live on wirral work in liverpool travel on a daily basis and have done for the last ten years now another £1000+ increase after 6th april under new classifacation wish i was on liverpool council then i might have that sort of spare cash ,£1.30 to £2.80 its a 115% increase overnite is that legal

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